USSjin Trunks (Cell Games) vs MSSjin Gohan (Cell Games)

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Topic Started: Apr 10 2012, 12:32 AM (1,285 Views)

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Apr 10 2012, 05:50 PM Post #16

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Even by raw power, and not considering the speed problem with USSJ, I still have MSSJ Gohan stomping USSJ Trunks, I have a huge difference between the two, mostly because Gohan & Goku trained together, which I doubt happened with Trunks & Vegeta, and I consider training with someone (specially someone who can keep up) much more effective than alone.

I also have the ASSJ multiplier going into the saiya-jins base after he achieves MSSJ (much like how it works with the first-time SSJ transformation, but X1,5 for the base instead of X5).

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Apr 10 2012, 08:43 PM Post #17

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gohan wasnt even fully powered and he was a match for cells true strength and speed. all im saying.

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Apr 10 2012, 09:50 PM Post #18

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Gohan (At Cell)

Future Trunks (At Cell Junior)

(Ascended Super Saiyan)

(Ascended 2 Super Saiyan)

Me.

I'll add:

Cell (Maximum)	(Zenkai)	Gohan (At Cell)	Cell (Overpowered)

38	56	62	77

And may even state that Cell (Overpowered) may only be around 63 (the least I can go with him right now)

Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Apr 10 2012, 09:52 PM.

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Apr 10 2012, 09:50 PM Post #19

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Apr 10 2012, 08:43 PM
gohan wasnt even fully powered and he was a match for cells true strength and speed. all im saying.

Cell didn't use his true strength on MSSjin Gohan. Just his speed.

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Apr 10 2012, 11:44 PM Post #20

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I have Vegeta & Trunks using ASSJ against the Cell Juniors, unless they mastered Super Saiya-jin (which wasn't really implied) why would they use Super over Ascended? I don't recall that transformation having a severe weakness like USSJ.

Maybe I overlooked something in that battle, were they really only using SSJ?

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Apr 10 2012, 11:49 PM Post #21

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Yes. They deemed the other forms inferior. Plus they don't look anything like Grade 2 in the fight.

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Apr 11 2012, 12:55 AM Post #22

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Apr 10 2012, 09:50 PM
Ninjajp247
Apr 10 2012, 08:43 PM
gohan wasnt even fully powered and he was a match for cells true strength and speed. all im saying.
Cell didn't use his true strength on MSSjin Gohan. Just his speed.

ill have to review the scan, but as far as the anime was concerned cell was at full strength, but not full power. Power he used for speed.

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Apr 11 2012, 09:59 PM Post #23

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Using my usual X10 Base SSJin multiplier, my X30 Base ASSJin Multiplier, and my X60 Base USSJin multiplier...

USSJin Trunks (If used during Cell Games): 240,000,000,000
MSSJin Gohan: 200,000,000,000

In terms on Power Level, I have USSJin Trunks winning. If the two were to fight, using the typical USSJin speed problem, MSSJin Gohan would eventually win.

Very VERY long fighter comparison with unnecessary fighters included :

Base Gohan (pre)<Base Trunks (pre)<<SSJin Trunks (Pre)~Base Trunks (post)<SSJin Trunks (post)~Imperfect Cell (post absorptions)<<Base Gohan(post)<Semi Perfect Cell<ASSJin Trunks (post)<<<USSJin Trunks (post)<<<ASSJin Trunks (Rosat #2)<<MSSJin Gohan (post)<<USSJin Trunks (Rosat #2)

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Apr 11 2012, 10:33 PM Post #24

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No offence, no troll to any pal here. Now, that bein said, I can safely mention my points here.

1st, the definition. USSJ is not in itself a transformation, as it just pushes a notch higher of SSJ. Sadly, not without its setbacks, speed significantly.

2nd. MSSJ or my usual way of sayin it FPSSJ is simply a perfection of the SSJ state. The rage being the precursor for the access of SSJ is maintained, thus, gives result to strategical fighting style, power as well as speed balance.

Now, if this is a Beam Struggle, Trunks takes this for all the USSJ powers accesssed is given in one-shot. Otherwise, if this is a fight like Goku vs Cell, I mean pure tactical, skill as well as power conservation, then Gohan takes this.

Again, this is just my opinion. No offence, no troll..

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so ur saying that USSJin trunks is stronger than goku?

didnt the second rosat PRODUCE trunks USSJ form? :huh:

Cause trunks came out WEAKER than vegeta the first go round.

he revealed USSj before the official games to fight cell even though the official games started with goku.

The one and only time he fought cell was when cell was at half power. AFTER the second trip. Even in the anime...SMH. you guys and your fake numbers, anything to distort the truth.

MSSJ= full power super saiyan.

meaning that all of the GRADES of super saiyan are encompassed into one form. trunks buffing up to get as strong as half power cell proves this. He was at his PEAK power.

Gokus USSJ in anime filler made his strong enough to take on full power cell, but had no speed, his USSJ energy was put into his CHOU kame blast. almost killing cell, but since he was only an estimated 90% of cells true power? cell regenerated.

It takes extra energy to use the grade forms and increase strength. if trunks was only just as strong as half power cell? how strong do you think gohan was at full power? his USSJ form would SMASH full power perfect cell into dust if he could catch him.

trunks NEVER had a chance. rage boost or not, gohan was stronger than trunks in low state MSSJ.

Low power state MSSJ gohan>>MSSJ goku>= USSJ@ trunks @ initial perfect cell.

Edited by Paikuan extreme, Apr 11 2012, 10:41 PM.

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Apr 12 2012, 01:06 AM Post #26

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Yes. They deemed the other forms inferior. Plus they don't look anything like Grade 2 in the fight.

I'll have to change my numbers around then, still, seems odd to me since Ascended didn't seem to have a severe weakness, even if it drained faster than SSJ, I always thought MSSJ > ASSJ > SSJ.

I can definitely boost Vegeta & Trunks since I made their second RoSaT gains lower than their first.

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Apr 12 2012, 01:06 AM
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Yes. They deemed the other forms inferior. Plus they don't look anything like Grade 2 in the fight.
I'll have to change my numbers around then, still, seems odd to me since Ascended didn't seem to have a severe weakness, even if it drained faster than SSJ, I always thought MSSJ > ASSJ > SSJ.

I can definitely boost Vegeta & Trunks since I made their second RoSaT gains lower than their first.

its only a strength increaser thats why. its a ki weighting technique.

Meaning you sacrifice the power you have in one place and put it to something else.

like cell taking some energy from strength against gohan and putting it towards speed.

trunks taking all of his energy and getting strong enough to be stronger than initial cell.

anime filler USSJ goku going to grade 3 to prove he was as strong as cells estimated true strength.

gokus subsequent invention of MSSj from SSJ in order to control the KI flow. going from minimum to maximum, meaning they can stay at 50X at a forever pace or go into a stronger form, thereby increasing strength and wasting needed energy to maintain the super saiyan strength boost.

Edited by Paikuan extreme, Apr 12 2012, 02:22 AM.

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Apr 14 2012, 06:31 PM Post #28

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W...What?

Trunks' reaction to Goku's 50% basically tells me that;

MSSJ Goku (50%) >=< USSJ Trunks (Post 1st-RoSaT)

I don't have Trunks making massive gains in his second RoSaT trip.

Power : MSSJ Gohan >> USSJ Trunks
Speed : MSSJ Gohan >>>>> USSJ Trunks

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